Rito de Passagem: programando

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A conversa abaixo foi a revelação, o Rito de Passagem! Entendí como se programa objetos.

Meus sinceros agradecimentos a Maria Korolov de Boston!


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[] Maria Korolov está Online
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ty Maria
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I cant see you
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I see you now! :)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: nice to meet you :)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I really would like to change my body LOL
[] Maria Korolov: hello
[] Maria Korolov: ok... let's see wat i've got...
[] Maria Korolov: hmm.... i think i gave them all away...
[] Maria Korolov: i used to have lots
[] Maria Korolov: oh well... go to build -- at the bottom -- then create at the top - then New body parts -- new shape
[] Maria Korolov: and you can create a new male shape
[] Maria Korolov gave you CJ20 Mens Madcap Jeans - by Launa.
[] Maria Korolov gave you !RETRODAN: Mens Tan Shirt.
[] Maria Korolov gave you CJ02 cuffed jeans pants.
[] Maria Korolov gave you !RETRODAN: B&W Sneakers (box).
[] Maria Korolov: okay, so watch me build an assembly line...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Sorry
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Tehre was a gray box over dialog line
[] Maria Korolov: you can click chat -- the history
[] Maria Korolov: to see everything that was said earlier
[] Tartafeu Alecto: only now I got to open a dialog box and can see what you where telling here
[] Maria Korolov: i said, come watch me build an assembly line...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Tartafeu Alecto: chair
[] Maria Korolov: ah, lets make them stand...
[] Maria Korolov: so, first, the first student makes a box...
[] Maria Korolov: here...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: hm
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: hands it to the next student
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :)
[] Maria Korolov: this student stretches is to the right size
[] Maria Korolov: gives it to the next stduent
[] Maria Korolov: the next student paints it
[] Tartafeu Alecto: colored
[] Maria Korolov: gives it to the next student
[] Maria Korolov: this student puts a handle on it
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :)
[] Maria Korolov: this might actually be a few diferent steps!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: no problem :)
[] Maria Korolov: and glue the two together
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But did you create dis shapes now or you had at your inventory?
[] Maria Korolov: there you go!
[] Maria Korolov: i am creating everything from scratch
[] Tartafeu Alecto: me?
[] Maria Korolov: you wan tot try?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I would but...
[] Maria Korolov: click on build... bottom of screen
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I dont know if I know
[] Tartafeu Alecto: LOL
[] Maria Korolov: then on the magic arrow at the top
[] Maria Korolov: then pick a shape and click on the surface of the assempbly line
[] Maria Korolov: poitn and click
[] Shortdog Philbin: or right click anywhere and select build
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I am editing object now. isnt it?
[] Maria Korolov: short: shhh! that's lesson two!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: or you can edit that object, sure
[] Shortdog Philbin: hehehe sorry
[] Maria Korolov: but try making a new one.
[] Maria Korolov: click on build
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: then on the magic arrow icon
[] Maria Korolov: then pick a shape
[] Tartafeu Alecto: when I right click there is only edit option
[] Maria Korolov: and click on the surface of this table
[] Tartafeu Alecto: for me
[] Maria Korolov: i just made that ball
[] Maria Korolov: three clicks
[] Maria Korolov: build -- magic arrow- sphere- table
[] Maria Korolov: okay, four clicks
[] Maria Korolov: the magic arrow is at the top o the screen, next to the tank
[] Maria Korolov: magic wand actually
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok found it
[] Maria Korolov: ta da!!!!
[] Maria Korolov: you made a ball!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: LOL
[] Maria Korolov: now you can be the first student in the assembly line!
[] Maria Korolov: and it took about 30 second to learn how to do it
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ty :)
[] Maria Korolov: having fun?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Shortdog Philbin: got to be carefull moving things
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But
[] Maria Korolov: you can build a house like this... makie the walls out of cubes
[] Maria Korolov: paint it...
[] Maria Korolov: then move in :-)
[] Shortdog Philbin: they can slip right out of the region someimes
[] Maria Korolov: yes, they can
[] Maria Korolov: and on a real assembly line, workers can drop things adn break them
[] Shortdog Philbin: indeed
[] Maria Korolov: or throw them too far
[] Maria Korolov: or too hard
[] Maria Korolov: but after you make 2-3 things, you get into the habit of it
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I saw in SL some objects that had interaction posibilities
[] Maria Korolov: adn the motions get very repetitive
[] Maria Korolov: yes, you can have objects that do stuff
[] Maria Korolov: but for an asembly line, you don't need them
[] Shortdog Philbin: scripts do the tricks there
[] Maria Korolov: the same scripts can work here
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But how could I create these interactions. Like example: The tree over there
[] Maria Korolov: but when i need a script, i just go online, get one, and paste it on the object
[] Maria Korolov: that's it
[] Maria Korolov: i drag-and-drop it right on the sphere or the cube
[] Maria Korolov: and the script just works
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Could I create a "script" that when a people touch the tree a apple fail
[] Maria Korolov: yes you can
[] Maria Korolov: or you coudl just put apples in the tre and people can just take them
[] Maria Korolov: wit no scripts
[] Tartafeu Alecto: really?
[] Maria Korolov: there's an apple
[] Tartafeu Alecto sussurra: it is real fantastic :)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Maria Korolov: in the tree
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: now you can click on it and take it
[] Maria Korolov: hold on. i'll set it so that it automaticlaly goes to you when you take it
[] Maria Korolov: click on it
[] Maria Korolov: its'a n edit setting
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I can take the apple but it wont be an automactic ...
[] Maria Korolov: no scripts
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok i did
[] Tartafeu Alecto: now?
[] Maria Korolov: ok, click on it now
[] Maria Korolov: nothing?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I clicked on apple and went in edit mode
[] Maria Korolov: just left click
[] Maria Korolov: not right click
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: it will give you the chance to buy the apple for $0
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Tartafeu Alecto: bought it
[] Maria Korolov: so it's a capitalist tree
[] Maria Korolov: now you have the apple in your iventory
[] Maria Korolov: i shoudl probably change the name to "apple"
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :)
[] Maria Korolov: ok, i edited it and changed the name to apple
[] Maria Korolov: and now i bought the apple
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But how could I do to apple change of color or felt from tree when I click with
[] Tartafeu Alecto: left buttom>?
[] Maria Korolov: if you want it to change color or fall from a tree, then you have to have a script
[] Maria Korolov: and those scripts are free online
[] Maria Korolov: you do'nt have to write them
[] Maria Korolov: just copy and paste them
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Yes. Its about it that I was telling...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: From where?
[] Maria Korolov: there are a million places to get SecondLife scripts
[] Tartafeu Alecto: are there scripts repository?
[] Maria Korolov: search for "lsl color change scripts"
[] Maria Korolov: there are quite a few
[] Maria Korolov: and many bloggers also post scripts
[] Tartafeu Alecto: The place you sent to me?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: and there are scripts in the OSgrid forums where whitestar sent you
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: there are millions of people using Secondlife, many of htem have written scripts and posted them somewhere
[] Tartafeu Alecto: And to input the script in object?
[] Maria Korolov: cut copy and paste
[] Shortdog Philbin: drop it into contents tab
[] Maria Korolov: or if the script is in your inveotyr, just drag it to the object
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Do you to program in script language or ever take them from another place?
[] Maria Korolov: or you can use autoscript -- an automatic script generator
[] Maria Korolov: 3greeneggs.com/autoscript
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Fantastic!
[] Shortdog Philbin: or the LSL script editor
[] Apple: Script running
[] Shortdog Philbin: anybody hear sound from that ball?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Excuse me. My sound is turned off
[] Tartafeu Alecto: People are sleeping now. LOL
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Maria. I created a script
[] Tartafeu Alecto: went in content
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But I cant past
[] Tartafeu Alecto: New script is disabled
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I think there is your script there
[] Maria Korolov: hmmm. i just tried to put on a script to make it change color...
[] Maria Korolov: but i think i got it wrong...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Me too. LOL
[] Tartafeu Alecto: At your box too: I went in Content and Open but nothing happens
[] Shortdog Philbin: Maria the apple script has an error
[] Shortdog Philbin: line 4
[] Compile successful
[] Primitive: Script running
[] Shortdog Philbin: letter 29
[] Compile successful
[] Primitive: Script running
[] Compile successful
[] Primitive: Script running
[] Shortdog Philbin: error cs0103
[] Compile successful
[] Shortdog Philbin: name all-slides does not exist in ther current content
[] Tartafeu Alecto: worked :)
[] Shortdog Philbin: sorry context
[] Maria Korolov: HAH!
[] Maria Korolov: GOT IT!
[] Shortdog Philbin: cool
[] Tartafeu Alecto sussurra: You are a fantastic teacher!
[] Maria Korolov: I had "All_Sides" and should have been "ALL-SIDES"
[] Maria Korolov: it was a one-line script
[] Maria Korolov: so i just retyped instead of cutting and pasting
[] Maria Korolov: and there you go -- typo!
[] Shortdog Philbin: tricky little beggars sometimes aren't they?
[] Maria Korolov: if you want to read the script, right-click on the apple to edit it
[] Shortdog Philbin: lol.
[] Maria Korolov: then click on the content
[] Maria Korolov: and double click on the script
[] Maria Korolov: here are in the instructiosn for what goes into the set color command if you want ot change hte color to something else: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LLSetColor
[] Maria Korolov: and i didn't know how to do it until just now :-)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: LOL
[] Maria Korolov: i google "change color" and "lsl script" and the script came right up
[] Shortdog Philbin: would this help?
[] Maria Korolov: shortdog: i'm trying to explain that you do'nt have to know ANY of this stuff to do lots of simple things :-)
[] Shortdog Philbin: I understand
[] Maria Korolov: but I'll be reading the tutorial -- thanks!
[] Shortdog Philbin: welcomr
[] Shortdog Philbin: I'll leave you to it
[] Maria Korolov: tart here thought he'd have to become a computer programmer to do anything in here
[] Maria Korolov: hah I say! Hah!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :)
[] Shortdog Philbin: not so
[] Shortdog Philbin: I am a retired steamship engineer
[] Maria Korolov: shortdog: cool! do you haev any steamships here?
[] Maria Korolov: my son loves sihps
[] Maria Korolov: sihp
[] Maria Korolov: ships
[] Shortdog Philbin: happens I am building a full size aircraft carrier on my home sim.
[] Maria Korolov: cool
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Cool
[] Maria Korolov: my dad's a retired aerospace engineer.. i'm trying to get him in here to help my son build a spaceship
[] Shortdog Philbin: wonderfull
[] Maria Korolov: my dad was all like "CAD systems are much too difficult for an 11-year-old"
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Now work to shape the pieces shows like me more difficult than work with scripts
[] Shortdog Philbin: hehehe
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ehehe
[] Shortdog Philbin: I'm like all much too difficult for me
[] Shortdog Philbin: lol.
[] Maria Korolov: tart: remember -- your assembly line students will only have to do one step each
[] Tartafeu Alecto: rs
[] Maria Korolov: adn then move it over to the next guy
[] Shortdog Philbin: as in RL
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Maria Korolov: you just have to build two assembly lines -- one for the main box, and one for the handle
[] Maria Korolov: and then hve them come together at the same time and have one student attach them
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But at first moment I wont wish that they create things here
[] Maria Korolov: and you do'nt have to use solid colors.. you can put a photo of an actual briefcase on the outside so it looks nice...
[] Maria Korolov: then you can sell the ojbects they make!
[] Maria Korolov: bwa ha ha ha ha ha!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: only to touch the objects with scripts inside them
[] Tartafeu Alecto: No! ehehehe
[] Tartafeu Alecto: LOL
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Could I test voice chat
[] Tartafeu Alecto: In SL there was a problem in Ubuntu over 8.10
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Only 8.04 worked
[] Shortdog Philbin: not available on this sim
[] Shortdog Philbin: voice I mean
[] Tartafeu Alecto: oh!
[] Shortdog Philbin: does work
[] Shortdog Philbin: just disabled on this sim
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But in preferences the line form microfone is working
[] Shortdog Philbin: this region needs all CPU cycles it can get
[] Maria Korolov: looks a LITTLE better...
[] Shortdog Philbin: Nebadon has voice turned off here.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: tart: make the students do some real work
[] Maria Korolov: they'll get mor out of it
[] Tartafeu Alecto: like example...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: To build a car?
[] Maria Korolov: and the building skills they learn, they can use in secodn life to open up their own businesses and make millions selling fashionable shoes
[] Maria Korolov: there are people making thousands of dollars a month selling fashions in Second Life...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I need to think about that
[] Maria Korolov: so not millions, but still :-)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Ok
[] Tartafeu Alecto: At first I am thinking to take some
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Education Theroy
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Theory
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Like Vygotsky
[] Tartafeu Alecto: And try to mix it with management needs class
[] Maria Korolov: of course, the ironic tihng is here, you don't need an asembly line - once you make one object, you can make a milion copies...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: solving some problem using Immersive Education
[] Maria Korolov: so its actually more of a platform for artisanal work, not assembly line work...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Maria Korolov: ha ha ha
[] Shortdog Philbin: hehe there is your assembly line
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I wont wish to teach them to develop crafts but live some moments that they could live (only imagine)
[] Maria Korolov: huh?
[] Shortdog Philbin: ahh, the epifany?
[] Maria Korolov: ah, like management skills?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: almost that :)
[] Maria Korolov: risk analysis?
[] Maria Korolov: workflow analysis?
[] Maria Korolov: so for example, you can have them design and optimize assembly lines
[] Maria Korolov: motion analysis
[] Maria Korolov: how to make a case using the fewest students... or the least time per case...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: At fist I had imagined something like a "museum"
[] Maria Korolov: there are people using this for risk analysis... walk thorugh a factory, and identify all the fire hazards, for example...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: If I usually explain abou how would be a manufacture process
[] Tartafeu Alecto: nice
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :0
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Could be too
[] Maria Korolov: if you do that, you could have a moving assembly line with robots on it (either human shaped or robot shaped) making things
[] Maria Korolov: that woudl need scripting
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Yeah!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Its something like that
[] Tartafeu Alecto: but you gave me some ideas
[] Maria Korolov: or you could do it cheap - have a student-powered assembly line
[] Maria Korolov: ha ha ha
[] Shortdog Philbin: set them a project to design and fault check a factory?
[] Maria Korolov: is this a steam engine?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: There is organizacions tha has financial fund for research
[] Shortdog Philbin: indeed it is
[] Shortdog Philbin: part of a powerhouse museum
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Could be
[] Maria Korolov: my dad brought a steamengine over last summer
[] Maria Korolov: a real one
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I didnt think exactly what
[] Maria Korolov: but he powered it with an air compressor
[] Shortdog Philbin: same principle.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I I intent to do that. Where would be a place where could I put this interactive classroom?
[] Maria Korolov: tart: if you have funding, either secondlife or reactiongrid
[] Maria Korolov: if you do'nt have funding, get some computers together and some student interns and do it yourself
[] Maria Korolov: and put it on your own grid
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I have some money in SL
[] Maria Korolov: or you can attach it to reactiongrid or some other grid
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I dont know if can I transfer for here.
[] Maria Korolov: regions on reactiongrid start at $25 a month
[] Maria Korolov: ther'es no money here
[] Maria Korolov: you owuld have ot take your money out of SL
[] Maria Korolov: and then use real money here
[] Shortdog Philbin: set up a region and connect it here?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I really got affraid became some project and Linden Labs advise that will close the dors.
[] Maria Korolov: so if you were paying reactiongrid for hosting, you woudl pay them by paypal or credit card
[] Maria Korolov: afraidd of what?
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I think that in Open source projects its more difficult to hapen
[] Maria Korolov: shortgod: it's not reliable to connect school regions to OSgrid
[] Shortdog Philbin: not yet
[] Maria Korolov: reactiongrid is a bit better for that -- they run older version of the software, upgrade less frequently, much more stable
[] Shortdog Philbin: what about Intel's new ScienceSim?
[] Maria Korolov: there is also worldsimterra that you can connect to, they have a large spanish, porgueese and brazlian population -- many colleges
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Afraid of became to develop a project and the SL Project stop like google Virtual World
[] Maria Korolov: ah, sl has been around for a long time
[] Maria Korolov: Google was only a few months, a beta thing
[] Maria Korolov: sl is pretty stable
[] Maria Korolov: but with open sim, yes, you own the software
[] Maria Korolov: you can keep it and run it forever if you like
[] Tartafeu Alecto: And OpenSimulator ?
[] Maria Korolov: yeah, opensim
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes. Is more secure
[] Maria Korolov: and much cheaper
[] Maria Korolov: for about the same stuff
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Maria Korolov: that's why so many colleges are moving over to opensim
[] Maria Korolov: also, there are no age restrictions
[] Maria Korolov: i bring my son here, who's 11
[] Maria Korolov: with second life, you can't bring in students under 18
[] Maria Korolov: they have hteir own grid -- where adults can't go!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Here is 11?
[] Maria Korolov: it's crazy
[] Maria Korolov: tart: there is no age limit here
[] Maria Korolov: its like the internet
[] Maria Korolov: anybody can put up hteir own site adn set hteir own age limits
[] Maria Korolov: osgrid, where we are now, is a development grid. vey safe for kids
[] Tartafeu Alecto: My ddaughter has 14 but I never invited her for SL.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I have afraid.
[] Maria Korolov: reactiongrid is PG -- guaranteed safe for kids
[] Maria Korolov: tart: well, SL is mostly one big sex game
[] Maria Korolov: my daughters goes on SL lal the time -- she's 14, too -- but she lies about her age
[] Maria Korolov: i'm sure all kids do
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But she can connect in another GRID
[] Maria Korolov: yeah, but the teen SL grid is totally lame, from what i hear
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Can I configure the Hippo viewer to connect only in reactiongrid?
[] Maria Korolov: so all the kids lie about their age and go to the adult grid
[] Shortdog Philbin gave you New Note.
[] Maria Korolov: tart: no, there's a choice of grids
[] Shortdog Philbin: list of current grids Tarta
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Shortdog: ty :)
[] Shortdog Philbin está Online
[] Shortdog Philbin: ty
[] Maria Korolov: it's easier to actually program the Second Life vierwer to only to to ReactionGrid
[] Maria Korolov: you hve to edit the .exe line -- and thats harder for a kid to hack
[] Shortdog Philbin: use Hippo and it can connect to any grid
[] Maria Korolov: welll, not my kid. my daugher is the one who installed OpenSim on our linux machine -- and instaled Linux, too
[] Shortdog Philbin: hehehe
[] Maria Korolov: i do'nt even try to keep her out of anywhere
[] Maria Korolov: she's a big Linux snob. programs php. has her own company doing websites, and CSS.
[] Maria Korolov: she's 14.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Shortdog. I would like to advise you that I dont female . LOL
[] Shortdog Philbin: I'll bundle up my Mandriva box
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Maybe you get scared when meet me again
[] Tartafeu Alecto: LOL
[] Shortdog Philbin: she can get OS working oin that for me
[] Shortdog Philbin: it's being a headache
[] Maria Korolov: short: she prefers ubuntu
[] Shortdog Philbin: damn
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I am using Ubuntu too
[] Shortdog Philbin: I just can't figure debian
[] Maria Korolov: but she can probably work with whatever you've got. she charges $8 per hour
[] Maria Korolov: but you have to put up with her eye rolling and condenscending attitude! ha ha ha
[] Shortdog Philbin: $8 per hr?
[] Maria Korolov: yup
[] Tartafeu Alecto: On School that I work it was Mandriva but people from IT change everithing for Ubuntu. It's easyer
[] Shortdog Philbin: she's slave labouting herself.
[] Maria Korolov: she's 14. she only got her work permit a month ago
[] Maria Korolov: she's racking up referenceable clients right now
[] Shortdog Philbin: good on her.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Why I hadnt permission to change my body?
[] Maria Korolov: once she's got a few projects under her belt, i'm sure she'll double her rates a few times
[] Shortdog Philbin: make a new one Tatra
[] Maria Korolov: tart: create a new body part-shape
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ?
[] Shortdog Philbin: use inventory
[] Maria Korolov: i told you. go to inventory at the bottom.
[] Maria Korolov: click on create
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Maria Korolov: then ew body parts-new shape
[] Tartafeu Alecto: i found it :)
[] Maria Korolov: excellent!
[] Shortdog Philbin: not so long ago my home region kept logging me as a Ruth again
[] Maria Korolov gave you OSG short sleeve black T shirt.
[] Maria Korolov gave you OSG Hardhat.
[] Shortdog Philbin: got it already Maria
[] Shortdog Philbin: tx anyway
[] Maria Korolov: ok
[] Shortdog Philbin: you been with OLG long?
[] Maria Korolov: me? olg?
[] Shortdog Philbin: yeah
[] Maria Korolov: openlifegrid?
[] Maria Korolov: i've never been there
[] Shortdog Philbin: sorry OSG
[] Tartafeu Alecto: beter by now :)
[] Maria Korolov: osg -- i've been here for a little over amonth
[] Shortdog Philbin: ahhh
[] Maria Korolov: i'm the editor of hypergridbusiness.com
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Friends. What time is there?
[] Maria Korolov: it's midnight!
[] Maria Korolov: gotta go!
[] Shortdog Philbin: 1330 for me in Australia
[] Maria Korolov: early interview tomorrow
[] Shortdog Philbin: good luck tomorrow then Maria
[] Shortdog Philbin: nice to meet and chat
[] Tartafeu Alecto: And if want to now more about me: http://www.isecensa.edu.br/?modulo=paginagerenciavel&acao=pagina_99
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Maria
[] Tartafeu Alecto: and Shordog
[] Tartafeu Alecto: What time usually you came here
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ?
[] Maria Korolov: thanks, i'll need it -- its a talk with a client about how a project went... to see if they'll hire us for more of it!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: It's 1: am here
[] Tartafeu Alecto: now
[] Maria Korolov: cool -- write to me
[] Tartafeu Alecto: And in your city?
[] Maria Korolov: maria@korolov.com
[] Maria Korolov: tell me how it goes
[] Maria Korolov: i'm in boston, it's midnight here
[] Tartafeu Alecto: mine is: uebe@censanet.com.br
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: We will maintain contact
[] Maria Korolov: oh, look there's a horse's head over there...
[] Shortdog Philbin: I'm shortdogphilbin@gmail.com
[] Maria Korolov: feano is making a horse,...
[] Maria Korolov: funky!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: :)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I would like to stay more but my body is claming from a bed!
[] Maria Korolov: wow itl ooks really realistic!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: nice
[] Shortdog Philbin: some very good builders around
[] Maria Korolov: wow, you are really good!
[] Shortdog Philbin: I stick with the engineering I know
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Maria: If I build something here this stuff it will desapear?
[] Shortdog Philbin: take it to your inventory Tarta
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Are there place here where could I do my experiments or only if I rent a place?
[] Shortdog Philbin: contact Nebadon Azumi
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Shortdog Philbin: he is the President of OSG
[] Tartafeu Alecto: cool
[] Shortdog Philbin: admins the grid.
[] Maria Korolov: tart: a few other peple give away land, too...
[] Shortdog Philbin: also known as Plaza Builder when online
[] Maria Korolov: check on chat -- there's usually someone around
[] Maria Korolov: or at he forums
[] Maria Korolov: Simon Gutteridge is giving away land
[] Shortdog Philbin: good idea
[] Maria Korolov: a few other peple are too
[] Maria Korolov: tart: what that guy is doing with the horse -- i cannot do that!
[] Shortdog Philbin: latest news from some region owners are squatters
[] Shortdog Philbin: people just see open space and build a home.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: why?
[] Shortdog Philbin: lol.
[] Maria Korolov: beig a squatter is veyr dangerous -- the region owner can always just take you off!
[] Shortdog Philbin: yep
[] Maria Korolov: so if you're going to squat, make sure you have copies of everything you make!
[] Shortdog Philbin: or like some do
[] Shortdog Philbin: let em stay
[] Maria Korolov: but I wouldn't recommend it, anyway!
[] Maria Korolov: you never know what kind of region owner you'll get!
[] Shortdog Philbin: some region owners even advertise for free homesteaders
[] Maria Korolov: but there are so many people giving away free land -- why risk it?
[] Shortdog Philbin: exactly
[] Shortdog Philbin: I have a small plot behind the OpenSim College at Teravus Plaza
[] Maria Korolov: sim core is giving away free land. Simon at Pioneer X. Retrodan has a whole list on his freebee places. there was a guy wandering around today giving away free land to everyone he met... :-)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Sorry I didnt undrestand "beig a squatter"
[] Shortdog Philbin: and run my own mini grid at home Hypergrid linked to here.
[] Maria Korolov: tart: just take over land that is not yours
[] Maria Korolov: and just build there
[] Maria Korolov: without asking permission
[] Shortdog Philbin: squatter is someone who just comes along and dumps them selves somewhere
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Shortdog Philbin: won't move on.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But isnt here a sandbox?
[] Shortdog Philbin: homesteader is given permission to build on a plot.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: hm. Ok
[] Shortdog Philbin: yes this is a public sandbox for all to build and practice
[] Tartafeu Alecto: But maybe he doesnt know about it
[] Maria Korolov: tart: yes, this is a sandbox. but they clean everythign up eveyr day
[] Maria Korolov: you can't build a house here and live in it
[] Shortdog Philbin: swept clean every 24 hours
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I underestood
[] Shortdog Philbin: download and run even a single region on the pc you are using now.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: People here in OSGrid is very different from Sl. Here is more like Linux community
[] Shortdog Philbin: funny you should say that
[] Maria Korolov: this IS LINUX COMMUNITY
[] Maria Korolov: it's all developers here
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Yes!
[] Tartafeu Alecto: LOL
[] Shortdog Philbin: most of us are Linux fans or even pro sysops
[] Maria Korolov: the reason they give away land is to test software on people
[] Maria Korolov: you will get free land -- but you will be a guinea pig
[] Maria Korolov: new software release eveyr day
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I got amazing with colaboration fellings
[] Maria Korolov: constant upgrades
[] Maria Korolov: new features
[] Maria Korolov: and new bugs
[] Maria Korolov: you can go crazy
[] Maria Korolov: ha ha ha
[] Shortdog Philbin: lots of loverly bugs yep
[] Shortdog Philbin: but we find em and fix em.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Someone knew about Wonderland Project?
[] Maria Korolov: i say, pay $25 to reactiongrid, or $16 to pioneer, and then you do'nt have to worrya bout it :-)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ok
[] Shortdog Philbin: there is that to think about
[] Maria Korolov: wow... look at that horse go....
[] Maria Korolov: so cool...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: What is the problem about pioneer that is cheaper than.
[] Shortdog Philbin: woah boy.
[] Shortdog Philbin: lol.
[] Maria Korolov: reactiongrid is all microsoft, running MSSQL
[] Maria Korolov: very very stable
[] Tartafeu Alecto: less popular?
[] Maria Korolov: people working on it all the time to get all the bugs out
[] Maria Korolov: lots of big corporate clients. microsoft is a client, also intel, but also many schools
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Microsoft. In Linux environment?
[] Shortdog Philbin: this seems to disappoint a lot of the SL people who come here
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Funny.
[] Maria Korolov: pioneer runs linux
[] Maria Korolov: and they do some testing and development, but not as much as reactiongrid
[] Maria Korolov: mostly for individuals and small businesses
[] Tartafeu Alecto: And where you have your place? Pionner or reactiongrid>
[] Shortdog Philbin: this is the test grid for all other OpenSim grids
[] Maria Korolov: i have mine on my h ome computers. didn't i tell you about my daughter the linux geek?
[] Maria Korolov: its a standalone
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes
[] Shortdog Philbin: hehehe
[] Tartafeu Alecto: eheheeh
[] Maria Korolov: but i alos had a company hosting my company region --- but they were hit by the hypervm hacker and everythign was lost
[] Shortdog Philbin: we all geek it and pioneer here in this grid.
[] Maria Korolov: haev to rebuild it all from scratch
[] Maria Korolov: so I'm going to switch to pioneer, i think -- they do off-site backups
[] Maria Korolov: my old guy had his backup on another servers -- and ALL servers went down at the same time
[] Shortdog Philbin: if it's a stable production type grid you need then
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Someone is rotarian?
[] Shortdog Philbin: take Maria's advice.
[] Maria Korolov: i think my old host is out of business because of this -- they were running 41 regions, too, and had some clients...
[] Tartafeu Alecto: yes. I will :)
[] Maria Korolov: so I'm thinking of switchign to Pioneer. cheap. good backups, nice guy running it, very helpful.
[] Shortdog Philbin: I love this grid because it is the sharp end
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Maybe it will be my choice
[] Maria Korolov: i've interviewed some of his clients for my magazine and they LOVE ihm
[] Maria Korolov: tell him i sent you
[] Maria Korolov: he might give you a discount
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Ok :)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: ty
[] Maria Korolov: they say he is veyr patient and helpful
[] Maria Korolov: and will set you up with a standalone region, or a region on his new grid, or a region on OSGrid, or anywhere else you want it
[] Shortdog Philbin: that is a big plus with hosting
[] Maria Korolov: and take care of all the upgrades and maintenance and backups for you
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Nice
[] Maria Korolov: and he has an automated point-and-click control panel for the regions... you can restart them yourself
[] Shortdog Philbin: I tried to get my ISP to link in
[] Maria Korolov: and do other stuff yourself
[] Shortdog Philbin: they are all Linux
[] Maria Korolov: i forget exactly what now
[] Shortdog Philbin: don't even like an MS machine hooking up.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I will need to go. I am very tired
[] Shortdog Philbin: be great if our ISP's used this as a front page portal to the new shiny 3D web.
[] Shortdog Philbin: OK
[] Maria Korolov: :-)
[] Tartafeu Alecto: I hope to meet all of you again
[] Shortdog Philbin: got to go shopping myself
[] Maria Korolov: i'm always around
[] Tartafeu Alecto: You were very very nice
[] Shortdog Philbin: good to meet you both.
[] Maria Korolov: that guy is REALLY good....
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Maria. I dont have words to say thank you.
[] Tartafeu Alecto: Really
[] Maria Korolov: look at my suitcase
[] Maria Korolov: and look at his horse
[] Tartafeu Alecto: You were amazing. I wont forget it
[] Shortdog Philbin: it's a Sculpty.
[] Shortdog Philbin: he is good
[] Shortdog Philbin: sculpted prims are a real bitch
[] Tartafeu Alecto: bye everyobdy
[] Shortdog Philbin: bye
[] Maria Korolov: bye